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never a jw
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A newbie...
by Jaidubdub ini'm new here but have been lurking here for a couple of months.
i am 3rd gen born in but have been inactive for a few years but always had the intention to make another go of the truth, but not now that i know ttatt.
i became inactive due to the inhumane treatment from family members who are elders.
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Watchtower vs. the Roman Catholic Church
by Farkel inthe roman catholic church (rcc) religious leaders wear ridiculous clothing.. wts elders wear ridiculous cheap suits.. .
one can wear a beard and still be a priest in the rcc.. one can wear a beard in the wts, but never be an elder with one.
it's bible-based(tm).
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never a jw
Thanks, very funny. I am saving it and showing itto others
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Baptism of a chid and an elder's response to my objection
by never a jw ini just learned that an 11 year old kid is taking the questions for baptism.
as soon as his father finished tellig me this, i told him that he should make his son wait, but he responded that he couldn't go against jehovah' spirit.
i gave the guy a break because he is the uneducated and naive immigrant who puts his heart, not his mind, into the religion.
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never a jw
Nickolas,
I get what you are saying. I think I am mostly speaking my mind at the same time trying to cause the elder to reconsider allowing children to baptize. I had a conversation on the same subject with this elder, right in my own dining room, about 11 months ago. I was a lot more civil back then.
At this point, after learning all there is to learn about the WT, I no longer can have much restrain. Since I have been very open, even insulting, with my brothers, nephews and two elders (all JW's), I am actually thinking that soon I am going to be shunned by many. It may not be an easy decision for the elders to make because my wife and daugter are JW's in good standing. Also, I employ, and therefore am the financial support, for two JW's heads of household, and technically I am not an apostate. However, the shunnining, if it happens in full force, maybe a tough, but a necessary break. This may produce the incentive I need to move my family to a different location and start fresh with the intention to move my family into freedom and the real world.
I trust your experience and wisdom. Feel free to comment.
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Baptism of a chid and an elder's response to my objection
by never a jw ini just learned that an 11 year old kid is taking the questions for baptism.
as soon as his father finished tellig me this, i told him that he should make his son wait, but he responded that he couldn't go against jehovah' spirit.
i gave the guy a break because he is the uneducated and naive immigrant who puts his heart, not his mind, into the religion.
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never a jw
Mum, yes I thank wise people who lived before me and have helped humanity (some of it) advance and walk away from supertition that holds so many people captive to the whims of religious leaders, who everyday bend the content of old superstion books to fit their own goals (power, money, influence)
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Baptism of a chid and an elder's response to my objection
by never a jw ini just learned that an 11 year old kid is taking the questions for baptism.
as soon as his father finished tellig me this, i told him that he should make his son wait, but he responded that he couldn't go against jehovah' spirit.
i gave the guy a break because he is the uneducated and naive immigrant who puts his heart, not his mind, into the religion.
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never a jw
.Dismissing servant,
I know I am confrontational. The reasoning and the nice language are behind. I tried them repeatedly. At this point I am mad as hell and I can't take it anymore. The elder has more self restrain than I do and he still answers my emails. Good, I am not finished venting.
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Baptism of a chid and an elder's response to my objection
by never a jw ini just learned that an 11 year old kid is taking the questions for baptism.
as soon as his father finished tellig me this, i told him that he should make his son wait, but he responded that he couldn't go against jehovah' spirit.
i gave the guy a break because he is the uneducated and naive immigrant who puts his heart, not his mind, into the religion.
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never a jw
Here's my reply to his reply Mr. Elder, Surprised?. Have you been deleting without reading my e-mails of the last 12 months, or are you sarcastic? What is the point of having elders if they are incapable of using common sense, especially in situations as important as the baptism of a child. So if (name deleted) wants to marry tomorrow, quit school, or take any other unwise path, you and the body of elders sholud give your blessing and restrained from any advice. Your answer is so inconsistent with your eagerness to disfellowship at the slightest sign of disagreement. Why don't we stop the unbiblical Judicial Committees and follow the same biblical advice you are using to justify your allowing the baptism of a child. So inconsistent, Galatians 6:4-5 is good for the entrance, but not for the exit. The Bible is such a dangerous book in the hands of mind controlled zealots. Are you guys blind? Don't you see the religious intolerance that you apply, when years later you cast out and ostracized these children for changing their mind? Don 't you see your Middle Ages inquisitional religious attitude?. (Name deleted) is only a child. How can you expect him to have the slightest hint of maturity to make such a huge decision as to commit to a religion that demands unquestioning allegiance to its doctrine and is willing to ruin the lives of those who don't fully adhere to its rigorous and unreasonable rules. You are only stregthenning my conviction that the WT grip on its members is very unhealthy and harmful to people, especially the young ones.
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Apostacitis
by Rufus T. Firefly inapostacitis is a term denoting a condition with which the watchtower society has become thoroughly infected, particularly since the year 1981 when sincere christians who merely resigned from the organization over principled differences in belief became viewed the same as unrepentant wrongdoers (1 cor.
5:11) and as those rejecting the good news about the christ (2 john 9-11).
there was a time when news of one becoming an apostate was so rare among witnesses that it sent shockwaves throughout the organization.
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never a jw
Does David also go by the name of Rufus T. Firefly?
Welcome Rufus. I think you will be a valuable contributor.
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Baptism of a chid and an elder's response to my objection
by never a jw ini just learned that an 11 year old kid is taking the questions for baptism.
as soon as his father finished tellig me this, i told him that he should make his son wait, but he responded that he couldn't go against jehovah' spirit.
i gave the guy a break because he is the uneducated and naive immigrant who puts his heart, not his mind, into the religion.
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never a jw
LOis,
She never listened to what I have to say because I never said a thing regarding her Mom's religion. I was so stupid. I never researched the weird religion of my wife because after all they were nice and honest people. I was so stupid for not realizing the insidious harm being done on my children. I stilll got one son who is not baptized, but still so brain-washed. Being a full blown atheist and skeptic since age 13, I never realized how powerful cult leaders can be. To guys like me, the claims of cult leaders often sound so stupid that it's hard to believe that intelligent people would take them seriously. But it happens; I am witnessing their mighty power.
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Baptism of a chid and an elder's response to my objection
by never a jw ini just learned that an 11 year old kid is taking the questions for baptism.
as soon as his father finished tellig me this, i told him that he should make his son wait, but he responded that he couldn't go against jehovah' spirit.
i gave the guy a break because he is the uneducated and naive immigrant who puts his heart, not his mind, into the religion.
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never a jw
I just learned that an 11 year old kid is taking the questions for baptism. As soon as his father finished tellig me this, I told him that he should make his son wait, but he responded that he couldn't go against Jehovah' spirit. I gave the guy a break because he is the uneducated and naive immigrant who puts his heart, not his mind, into the religion. I decided then to send an angry email to the main elder of the congregation (also a substitute of the C.O., well respected and known by everyone in the circuit, and he never fails to deliver the important speeches in district and circuit conventions).
Here's my email
I just learned that (name deleted) is going to have the questions about having full allegiance to the leaders of the Watchtower lest he is cast out as mentally diseased. Shame on the body of elders if they reach the conclusion that the innocent kid is ready. Are you going to make a full disclosure to him of all the errors, lies and shameless intellectual dishonesty in the publications printed in the Watchtower's headquarters. What are you going to do if the kid gets baptized and 6 years later learns about all the things that I have learned about your leaders, and then decides to abandon his faith. You know the consequences, his social life will be shattered by the cruelty of WT's shunning policy? Are you going to blame it in on Satan, as frequently is done by irresponsible an arrogant people, or are you going to take responsibility for you gross negligence? Here's his email I am surprised, Never a JW, that you, of all people, cannot see that we must let him and his parents choose.
GALATIANS 6:4, 5 4 But let each one prove what his own work is, and then he will have cause for exultation in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person. 5 For each one will carry his own load.
Would you have us choose for him? Mr. Elder Is there any wonder that the Bible is very dangerous in the hands of incompetent zealots? -
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The United Nations will attack Christendom
by Doug Mason inthis is a serious question and i hope to receive intelligent explanations.. .
the wts says that the great tribulation lies in the future.
they write that it will start when the united nations attacks christendom.. .
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never a jw
It's all bull. However, the WTS could make its case if there is a political attack against religion. Possibly passing resolutions to reduce the influence, wealth and power of the church. I don't think the WTS expects a scenario such as the one you are describing. Then again, the WTS has come up with the weirdest biblical interpretations before. Anything is possible with them.